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"Wal-Mart is trying to fill the space in consumers' shopping bags left empty by the disappearance of Circuit City. As part of that effort, the retail giant is stepping up its Blu-ray offering. " ... "... Show entire thread and 26 responses
- "Wal-Mart is trying to fill the space in consumers' shopping bags left empty by the disappearance of Circuit City. As part of that effort, the retail giant is stepping up its Blu-ray offering. " ... "Besides more players, Wal-Mart is also selling more discs. The retailer's renewed Blu-ray push comes on the heels of its move past Amazon.com as the nation's No. 2 seller of Blu-ray discs. Best Buy leads with 40-50 percent market share of Blu-ray discs sold at retail, followed by Wal-Mart with 20-30 percent share, according to industry sources cited by Blu-ray.com. The data showed Wal-Mart leapfrogged Amazon.com, which now has 15-20 percent of Blu-ray sales." - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10243357-1.html - link courtesy of David A below.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-02 16:38:38.0:
Milty boy wrote " inclusion of W/M into overall sales means that Booray's share of market might be as low as 3%, and not the official 8% YTD currently from Nielson/VideoScan." No sh!t - how can someone with only 20-30% of market share bring an 8% of sales down to 3%? That sort of dilution would require about 60% market share and ZERO BD sales. Go figure
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-02 16:55:05.0:
MIKE HD, on "... No sh!t - how can someone with only 20-30% of market share bring an 8% of sales down to 3%?" That's the whole problem: Mr. Bullsh!t(aka D. Attenborough) asserted last week that W/M had 20% to 30% of the BD market, but when pressed to provide an independent URL to confirm such digits, instead posted a HILARIOUS comment that his figures came from BLU-RAY.COM which, in turn, cited "industry sources" for those numbers. Since W/M aggressively guards its sales numbers, and since 2001 refuses to share its POS terminal scan data with ANYBODY, it begs the question: EXACTLY from where did the "industry sources" get that 20% to 30% number? Absent such independent URL confirmation, we can only assume that it's a complete fabrication. And with this week's Nielsen/Videoscan numbers putting BD at a paltry 8% share of market, and with W/M probably selling about 16-million standard DVDs(vs about 1.8-million actual BD sales), the numbers just don't add up. One thing is for sure, and that is that Booray continues as a FLOP with the mass market.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 17:53:19.0:
@Milt R. Smith. Hahahaha. As I said before, spoonfeeding you is EXTREMELY tiresome. Below is a VB article (the one I quoted originally), from a week or so before the CNet article and the information on Blu-Ray.com, on Walmart's market share which states "Wal-Mart is the runner-up with 20% to 30% market share." You'll note they're taking their information directly from analysts, not Blu-Ray.com. I'm sure you could have found it (or one of the many other sources. I'm not here to wipe your arse for you.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 17:54:41.0:
Link to VB, I trust that's independent enough for you. Would you like a tissue to wipe all that egg from your fizog? - http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6657099.html
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David Attenborough (AKA Mr. Bullsh!t) responds on 2009-07-02 18:00:27.0:
@Milt R. Smith. Coming from your good self, a bloke whose modesty alone, I'm sure, prevents him from suffixing his name with the PHD in bullsh!t he holds, that's quite a compliment. It's a cognomen I'll happily adopt permanently if you can just provide an example where you show ANY example that proves your figures of a 92%/8% ratio at Walmart, added to a 92%/8% ratio industry wide, results in anything but a ratio of 92%/8%, rather than the idiocy it actually represents. Good luck!
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 18:13:50.0:
@MikeHD. You're indeed correct. In fact, contrary to Milty's figures going "unchallenged", I presented a number of examples using actual numbers which showed just how many DVDs Walmart would have to sell, whilst still selling ZERO Blu Rays, to affect the overall market share by even 1-2%, and they'd have to have the whole DVD market tied up. It's just another thing Milt's selective miopia doesn't allow him to admit.
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-02 18:19:16.0:
A LAUGH A MINUTE FROM MR BULLSH!T(aka D. ATTENBOROUGH): That VideoBusiness article cited is as devoid of hard sources as BluRay.com. What 'analysts'? From what WalMart source? This is pure, unadulterated guesswork. Meaningless.
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David Attenborough (AKA Mr. Bullsh!t) responds on 2009-07-02 18:28:55.0:
Ah, I see. Rather than take the shame, you're now trying to implicate VideoBusiness in some sort of pro-Blu Ray cabal? That's the BEST you can come up with to cover your embarassment? Priceless. That couldn't have worked better if I'd DELIBERATELY posted the article referencing Blu-Ray.com ;) Take the shame, old man, you just got busted. And I'm STILL waiting for that example that proves your calculation. If the monkey I offered to pay as a reward wasn't tempting enough, SURELY the offer for me to PERMANENTLY adopt the "AKA Mr. Bullsh!t" nom de plume will be? We're WAITING, but NOT holding our breath! Hahahahahaha
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 18:33:09.0:
And it's GREAT to see you're still laughing. I've always thought being able to laugh in the face of adversity a GREAT trait. Laughing in the face of the undeniable however, that's a different matter. I just hope you have a loved one nearby when the laughter stops.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 18:46:39.0:
Just a quick illustration re those Walmart sales to help Milty on his way. If the rest of the market sells 92 DVDs for every 8 Blu Rays, and Walmart sells 92 DVDs and zero Blu Rays, then Blu Ray would still hold 4% of the market (4.16666 recurring in fact) and Walmart would have a full 50% of the DVD market and 0% of the Blu Ray market, rather than the 20-30% share of Blu Ray sales reported by independent trade publication Video Business. Hope that helps Milty! Hahahahahaha
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 18:52:49.0:
Anyone with a secondary school education can work their own "what if" figures from there to show quite conclusively that Milt's figures just don't, quite literally, add up. Milt on the other hand can continue demonstrating his educational level by repeating the same tired old drivel.
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-02 19:39:47.0:
MR. BULLSH!T(AKA D. Attenborough). on "you're now trying to implicate VideoBusiness in some sort of pro-Blu Ray cabal? " Implicating VideoBusiness? For what? There's nothing to implicate; mine is just a logical, rudimentary inquiry, to wit: they're quoting some sort of 'analysts' and stating a 20% to 30% W/M share of the market: but since Wal*Mart aggressively secretes its sales numbers and refuses to share them with ANY data aggregators since 2001, WHAT IS THE CONFIRMING BASIS FOR THOSE DIGITS? One more time: absent such hard evidence, we can only conclude that these assertions are speculative and without foundation. Compare this with the Nielsen/VideoScan numbers which are derived from POS terminal scan data and directly from retailers. Next, the very same issue I posed weeks ago as a starting point to settle this issue once and for all: OBTAIN THE ACTUAL UNIT SALES OF ALL DVDs(standard and BluRay - and no 'shipped crap) for last year and YTD 2009; with that the veil of secrecy being so tightly drawn by Sony and its Booray allies will be pulled apart as a starting point. TRUST ME: the LAST THING Sony and its allies want is the actual, real-world UNIT SALES(and especially those from Wal*Mart). Don't believe it? Starting holding your breath in anticipation ---- RIGHT NOW!
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-02 22:33:21.0:
"...they're quoting some sort of 'analysts' and stating a 20% to 30% W/M share of the market: but since Wal*Mart aggressively secretes its sales numbers and refuses to share them with ANY data aggregators since 2001, WHAT IS THE CONFIRMING BASIS FOR THOSE DIGITS?" Let's see, might it be the aggregate number of BDs that were shipped to W/M? That would certainly put an upper limit (30%?) on how many units W/M had sold. It seems reasonable that W/M would sell minimally 2/3rds of their BDs within some given time frame, which would be the low-ball 20%. Or is that getting into the "and no 'shipped crap[']"? Sooooooo, Milty boy, are you trying to suggest that W/M would just keep on ordering BDs without actually selling any in the meantime? Pray tell, how would they pay for new orders? Income from OTHER products? Hardly, things don't work that way - period.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-03 01:17:52.0:
"...but since Wal*Mart aggressively secretes its sales numbers" - I'm not sure you should have used that phrase, we all know what 'secretion" means. Go figure
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 03:42:05.0:
Milt is a real piece of work, true enough! This is the guy who lurks around his local Walmart for the short periods when his medication wears off, furtively counting the number of customers visiting the bargain DVD bins, counts how many DVDs pass the tills in his limited field of vision, extrapolates that out for the time when he's not there, then extrapolates that further to account for EVERY Walmart store in the USA, and pronounces the figure he comes up with as "unchallenged" and "as good as anyone else's". Even though his back of a fag packet calculation tells him that Walmart (the biggest single DVD retailer in the USA) sells a "whopping" total of 16 million DVDs a year, he can't see the evident flaws and talks as if it's gospel, basing a further set of half-arsed calculations around it, but let's not get into his inability to perform basic mathmatic calculations. And after all that, he's got the front to dispute figures from a well-respected trade publication with access to industry figures and sources, and an in-depth understanding of the market that he clearly can't even comprehend. Weak, weak, weak. As I said earlier Milty, you got caught out, you should just hold your hands up instead of this squirming.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 03:48:49.0:
@MikeHD, again, right on the money. I've said to Milty before that the distributors will have a pretty good idea of how many DVDs Walmart are selling for that very reason. Like you say, Walmart will order what sells. It's therefore a completely reasonable assumption that analysts and bodies like NPD/Neilsen will have access to this studio data, and by comparing it to other retailers will be able to see precisely where Walmart fits into the scheme of things, hence the quite wide ranging calculation of 20-30%. Whatever though, it's certainly going to be a more informed and accurate estimate of Walmart's sales than those generated by a seedy old man lurking around his local store and then multiplynig out his findings and calling the result good.
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-03 15:08:22.0:
TO MR. BULLSH!T(aka D. Attenborough) AND MIKE HD: Mike includes my absolute, positive, all-time favorite in his quote: "...might it be the aggregate number of BDs that were shipped to W/M?" Without a doubt, in the pantheon of horsesh!t. "shipped" is my all-time favorite. Yes, dear readers, General Motors and Chrysler(to name two) "shipped" cars to the West, to the East, the South and the North; in fact, "shipped" the hell out of 'em, as did Toshiba with its HD-DVD players. GM and Chrysler went BK after all their "shipped" products, and Toshiba flopped after Sony allegedly paid more moola to Warners despite would-be "shipments" by Toshiba. My offer to accept Mr. Bullsh!it's $500 offer with his 20/30 nonsense has of course gone unanswered as soon as he realized he'd need to pay ME if unable to provide independent URL proof of this purported digit(s) from some "analysts". Once again, absent independent proof from Wal*Mart sales, that is a purely speculative guess, and nothing more. The cheap, empty suit that is Mr. Bullsh!t is left out for all to see for that, which is what he is.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 17:36:32.0:
On the contrary, my offer of $500 to you, or anyone else who can, using YOUR current Walmart figures of 16 million DVDs to 1.3 million Blu Rays, added to ANY cross-market figures in the same ratio of 92% DVD and 8% Blu Ray and come up a total for BOTH which equals the 97%/3% ratio YOU say is possible. That CHALLENGE to your (supposedly unchallenged) figures was set out some SIX weeks ago, yet NO-ONE is willing to take it up. Least of all the person who STILL persists in making those same crass, imbecillic and downright FALSE claims. THAT is the challenge, any SPURIOUS nonsense you may try and warp my challenge with to DISGUISE the BLATANT fact that you CAN'T square the circle is of NO consequence. YOUR figures. YOUR estimates. YOUR calculation. MY simple challenge? Make them work! Alternatively, continue to IGNORE and SWERVE it, and in doing so admit you're a BLOWHARD and FECKLESS waster. "Nouse ALWAYS trumps mouth", as we say here, and you're giving it PLENTY of the latter and displaying NONE of the former. PROVE ME WRONG!
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-03 18:23:33.0:
MR. BULLSH!T(aka D. Attenborough), on "On the contrary, my offer of $500 to you, or anyone else who can, using YOUR current Walmart figures of 16 million DVDs..." WHAT HAS THIS TO DO WITH YOUR ORIGINAL $500 CHALLENGE? I've taken up your original $500 offer anent the 20%/30% issue and now you are trying instead to change to a wholly different issue. To be expected from a cheap empty bullsh!t artist like you, of course. For the record, let me reiterate all I've ever said about Wal*Mart DVD sales. Only because excluding the MASSIVE presence that is W/M, is like trying to exclude Toyota(world's largest automaker) from total new car sales; it is an ABSURD premise. BUT, since W/M adamantly guards its POS terminal scan data since 2001, we're left with trying to assemble reasonable numbers from known numbers, to wit, their number of U.S. stores(4,400 EX Sam's Club), 360 annual sales days, and a conservative estimate of 10 average daily sales from their $5 catalog sales bins. Multiplying them out means they're probably moving about 16-million standard DVDs vs about 1.8 million BDs(at 8% current mkt share). That's about 14-million more standard DVDs than Boorays, and so it is IMPOSSIBLE to ignore W/M numbers as this would greatly impact the share of market digit(s). So, then, how does this all translate out to BD? The only way it can is if the actual real-world UNIT SALES of all DVDs is published(something Sony and its allies are furiously trying to prevent); in the meantime, my numbers are good and all the posturing and attempts to change that are irrelevant. Again, how about your original $500 challenge? I've already said I accept, and now there are 9 days left for YOU to do so; can you provide hard independent URL proving the 20%/30% number of which you are so enamored, from those "analysts"? I'm waiting.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 18:50:39.0:
Milt R. Smith "WHAT HAS THIS TO DO WITH YOUR ORIGINAL $500 CHALLENGE?" More SQUIRMING and AVOIDANCE, via a FACADE of selective memory I see. My original and ONLY $500 challenge from April 13th is reposted, verbatim below. To avoid any doubt or accusations of tampering, tt can be viewed on this site via Google at the following link - http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Prove+Milt%27s+figures%2C+win+%24500%22&meta=&aq=f&oq=
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 18:52:08.0:
"Prove Milt's figures, win $500" April 13th 2009. Recently I pointed out to Milty that he'd gone from criticising Blu Ray for having 4% of the market, to having what he called a "pathetic 91/9" share in just 3 months. He immediately started claiming that the 9% marketshare was fake, and was likely more like 5%, or even 3%. When I pointed out that the 9% figure was from impartial, well-respected industry sources using Point of Sale data from retailers he countered that Walmart's sales were not included and produced a series of elaborate estimates to attempt to back up his claims. When I then demonstrated that no combination of absolute sales numbers in a 91/9 ratio, when added to HIS Walmart estimates, would lower the overall sales ratio, he started demanding authoritative Walmart sales figures and crying that I had been the one producing estimates. He also REFUSED point blank to accept my challenge to produce ANY combination of sales figures which, when added to HIS estimates, that could possibly reduce the overall ratio. So, given that I'm only a lowly network engineer, more used to calculating subnet ranges and masks than sales ratios, I'm quite willing to accept that I could well be wrong, and Milty, with his years of experience as a financial advisor dealing with percentages, profit and loss etc, knows more than me. In the absence of any SENSIBLE explanation from him, I thought I'd throw it open to other visitors here to prove his figures on his behalf, and offer the sum of $500 (or the equivalent in UK sterling, if preferred), by PayPal or money transfer, to anyone who can do it. Read on for instructions, and see below for proof of Milty's claims. Have fun!
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 18:57:58.0:
Here's me on the 22nd of May, restating my offer. I know you read this post as you replied to it, but (predictably) didn't address the offer. "David Attenborough responds on 2009-05-22 18:10:53.0: Oh, and while I've got your attention, any progress on demonstrating the validity of your 12 million/1.2 million + 91%/9% = 97%/3% calculation, as quoted above? I offered $500 to anyone (including you) who could square that particular circle for you, but no takers. Not a one. It's still there for you. If the demonstration of your mathematical prowess above is anything to go by it'd probably come in useful to supplement the alms your employer paid to get rid of you."
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 19:09:20.0:
Oh, and just for completeness, here's the instructions that followed the offer. I could also repost the quotes of yours which lay out your inept calculation, but you posted another example of this idiocy recently so it'd be redundant. "David Attenborough responds on 2009-04-13 Right, so here's what you need to do. Although we know that the ratio of overall sales (excluding Walmart) is 91% for DVD, vs 9% for Blu Ray, we don't know any absolute numbers. Milt claims that Walmart sell 12 million DVDs per yer, to 1.2 million Blu Rays (which works out at roughly 91% for DVD, 9% for Blu Ray), and that Walmart by "weight of numbers" alone can reduce the overall market share to 95% DVD and 5% Blu Ray, or even 97% DVD and 3% Blu Ray. Come up with ANY combination of overall sales (excluding Walmart) which, when added to Milty's figure, can reduce the total ratio to the one he suggested. Don't worry that your figures or Milty's figures are ridiculous - that's not important - all that matters is that your figures for overall sales (excluding Walmart) work out at a ratio of 91% for DVD and 9% for Blu Ray. Example - if you believe the rest of the market only sells 100 DVDs and Blu Rays per year, that's 91 DVDs and 9 Blu Rays. Add that to Milty's figure and you get 12,000,091 DVDs vs 1,200,009 Blu Rays. Add them together to get the total number of discs sold industry-wide (13,200,100 for the example), divide that number by 100 to find out what 1% is (132,001) , and then divide the Blu Ray number by that figure to get the percentage of sales Blu Ray has achieved. If the figure is roughly 9%, sorry you've failed, please try again. If you can get the percentage down to 5%, or even 3%, you've either won $500 or calculated incorrectly ;) Below are the quotes which show how Milty got his figures....... "
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 19:16:58.0:
I just realised I threw the gauntlet down ten weeks ago, not six, and Milty has been avoiding it and repeating the same gibbering load of old bull ever since.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-03 20:54:40.0:
Hello everyone, I STILL would like to understand just how W/M could dilute/degrade an 8% market share by BDs in the stamped circular digital media (with a mechanical reader/writer) down to 3% - as Milty boy seems to claim. This doesn't add up to anyone other than Milty boy, given the rather limited market share by W/M. Perhaps we should just ask Milty boy for his math re transforming 8% to 3% by 20% - 30% percent of market share in whirring physical media. I, myself, am all ears.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-04 05:47:47.0:
@MikeHD. Again, that's a very good question, one I also posed him a while back when he pronounced Blu Ray's (then) YTD share of 9% as "pitiful" and repeated his half-arsed Walmart theory. Back then I demonstrated that, in order to reduce the YTD figure to hist 3%, Walmart would need to sell 66% of all DVDs in the USA, and still sell zero Blu Rays. His silence was damning. So yes, if it's an easier route to him admitting he is mathmatically inadequate, I'll second your request for him to demonstrate just how Walmart could have such an effect, even by "WEIGHT OF NUMBERS" as he likes to claim.
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Mike had to cut a good thread below ,link - Hide thread - By on July 2, 2009:
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California Golden State Mountain Bike Championship - Hide thread - By Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars on July 2, 2009:
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" Location: Main Lodge
Date: Sep 04, 2009 - Sep 06, 2009
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Mammoth has a long history of hosting world-class mountain bike events dating back to the 1989 World Mountain Bike Championship... Show entire thread and 5 responses
- " Location: Main Lodge
Date: Sep 04, 2009 - Sep 06, 2009
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Mammoth has a long history of hosting world-class mountain bike events dating back to the 1989 World Mountain Bike Championships. After a few years off from competitive mountain biking events, Mammoth is back playing host to the California Golden State Mountain Bike Championships!
The event will take place around Main Lodge and feature all disciplines of mountain bike racing including: Cross Country, Downhill, Super-D, Mountain Cross and Kamikaze. The California Golden State Mountain Bike Championships will also play host to a special "Legends of the Kamikaze" race featuring legends in the sport such as Mike "Too Tall" Bell, Stu Thompson, Tom Rogers, Jimmy Deaton, Mikes Rockwell, Bernard Unhassobiscay, Dave Cullan and former World Downhill Champ Greg "H-Ball" Herbold. " - http://www.mammothmountain.com/ResortActivitiesEvents/Event/1755/?mid=230904&cid=668h&ref=bikeraces
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-02 03:07:04.0:
Sooooooo, girlie-boys, guess where I'll be Sep 04, 2009 - Sep 06, 2009, eh? Go figure - its gonna be MAMMOTH.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-02 03:10:40.0:
And, yeah, the Sea Otter DH is kinda lame - even for me. MAMMOTH is more my size, if you get my drift. Stay tuned.
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B Mike HD The Pirate of the Fromat Wars responds on 2009-07-02 06:55:06.0:
And, yeah, Golden State is a nude Mountain Bike event. So expect me to be riding AU NATURALE as it were. Gives me a good opportunity to show everyone my MAMMOTH, if you catch my drift. Go figure.
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B Mike HD The Pirate of the Fromat Wars responds on 2009-07-02 06:55:44.0:
DISCLAIMER: THE LAST POST WAS NOT POSTED BY MICHAEL SYBEN OF SCOTTS VALLEY, CALIFORNIA.
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responds on 2009-07-02 08:21:20.0:
I bet Mike HD is hung like a race horse. How many inches are we talking, Mike?
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About those downloads.........,link - Hide thread - By David Attenborough on July 1, 2009:
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"JUNE 30 | DIGITAL: Long expected to surge as demand for such packaged media as DVDs flattens, digital media sales stalled during the first quarter as the economic slowdown cut advertising spending ne... Show entire thread and 26 responses
- "JUNE 30 | DIGITAL: Long expected to surge as demand for such packaged media as DVDs flattens, digital media sales stalled during the first quarter as the economic slowdown cut advertising spending needed to support many media-content Web sites, according to one report.
Sales of digital video, music and videogame content for the 12 months ended March 31 rose less than one percent from a year earlier, slowing from 3.4% and 6.6% trailing-twelve-month sales increases for the two previous quarters, Strategy Analytics said in a statement. Consumer paid digital sales rose 2.9% for the year ended March, while ad-supported digital-media revenue fell 0.7%, according to Jia Wu, analyst at Strategy Analytics and author of the report.
DVD industry analysts and executives are counting on growth in digital-media sales to prop up a U.S. home entertainment industry in which spending in 2008 fell 5.7% from a year earlier to $21.7 billion, despite Blu-ray Disc sales tripling to about $750 million, according to data compiled by Video Business and Rentrak.
Some analysts have estimated that annual sales of digitally delivered film content will more than double within the next five years to between $3 billion and $4 billion.
Such growth, however, might be delayed by an economic downturn that has appeared to curtail spending on both packaged and digital media.
"Although many digital media companies will still choose the advertising revenue model given the relative ease of gaining user traffic, Strategy Analytics believes that the consumer-paid model is more resilient in the recession as it maximizes the value of content," Wu said.
Still, the research firm, which polled 32 digital-media companies for the report, said digital-content providers might be able to resurrect growth by expanding their reach overseas as the U.S. economy regains its footing. Digital-media companies not based in the U.S. saw sales for the year ended March increase 4.2%, though that was still a slowdown from a 6.2% trailing-twelve-month increase for the fourth quarter, according to Wu." - http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6668382.html
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-01 13:02:40.0:
"32 digital-media companies" - that's the problem right there - too many fish in a tiny pond. Whereas Blu-ray is a growing fish in a very large pond - packaged media. Go figure
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Blu Titan responds on 2009-07-01 13:49:04.0:
I agree 100% with Mike. There are so many digital companies each pushing their agenda. Will they ever promote DD while using a common platform? No.
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-01 15:19:27.0:
...AND AS BLU-RAY SHARE OF MARKET PLUNGES AGAIN, this time BluTitNitwit of course remains silent on the subject. This time the meaningless numbers have been posted today on the digitalbits.com: "SOFTWARE MARKET SHARE - BD VS DVD (YTD through 6/21/09 - Nielsen/VideoScan): Week End. 6/21 Blu-ray Disc: 8 DVD: 92" So, as the DVD sales-plunge continues, it appears(if you place any credence in these vascillating digits) that BluRay is taking the biggest hit in the marketplace. Bad as the overall may be, standard DVD positively dominates the market with a 92% share. For BD, it can only be called PATHETIC, after expenditure of BILLIONS of dollars by Sony and its allies.
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-01 17:17:34.0:
WITH THE LATEST OFFICIAL NIELSEN/VIDEO SCAN NUMBERS AT 92% DVD AND JUST 8% BOORAY, ARE THE UNOFFICIAL REAL-WORLD DIGITS MAYBE 97/3 IF WAL*MART IS INCLUDED? I dunno, but my calculations now, I think, are more relevant than ever. With 4,400 U.S. stores(EXcluding Sam's Club), and assuming a conservative sale of only 10 standard DVDs daily from its $5 catalog bins 360 sale days annually, that means W/M is moving something along the lines of 16-MILLION standard DVDs each year, and less than some 1.3-million Boorays(at 8% share from Nielsen/VideoScan - see my post above with thedigitalbits.com numbers). SOOOOO, my months-ago suggestion that inclusive of Wal*Mart sales, it could well be that BD is as little as 3% of the market, and not 8%. That 16-million vs 1.3-million number is just HUGE. Not one -- I repeat, NOT ONE person has challenged my numerical assumptions into the equation as being unreasonable(in fact, I believe the assumptions are if anything conservative). Now how do I know that 97/3 is more an accurate representation when including W/M? It's not rocket science: when you add a net increase around 14-million more standard DVDs the whole number game is thrown into a cocked hat, that figure being so enormous. Instead, what bullsh!t do we hear from D. Attenborough? Last week he claimed that Wal*Mart represents 20% to 30% of BD movie disk sales; asked to provide a confirming independent URL source for such an assertion, what do we hear from him? THE SOUNDS OF SILENCE. And I expect to hear more of those SOUNDS OF SILENCE from him now that the latest Nielsen/VideoScan digits YTD are in.
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Zuul The Minion of Gozer responds on 2009-07-01 18:10:55.0:
Transformers 2 is sitting pretty on $228.4 million. Guess all the critics are out of touch with the current pop culture. Same stands for one Mike HD. Guess I won here?!
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Zuul The Minion of Gozer responds on 2009-07-01 18:38:25.0:
$449 million worldwide for Tranformers 2 and it is just getting started. The world agrees that the movie rules! Got more bad reviews to post Mike? Ahahhhaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
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Keno responds on 2009-07-01 19:22:44.0:
Milt R. Smith, your assumption don't seem to make any sense. If Walmart sell 92% DVD the total will still be 92% or I have it wrong?
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-01 19:53:30.0:
"Despite receiving a critical drubbing, Transformer: Revenge of the Fallen soared to box office success over the weekend. While director Michael Bay is no stranger to hatred from the critics, the LA Times reports that Bay was not impressed with their lambasting this time.
I think they reviewed the wrong movie. They just don't understand the movie and its audience. It's silly fun. I am convinced that [critics] are born with the anti-fun gene. The reviews are just so vicious. A lot of them are more personal than anything else." - http://www.reelzchannel.com/movie-news/3735/michael-bay-doesnt-care-what-critics-think-of-transformers-rotf. The question I'd raised is just who all would want to pay more good money for the BD with that flick, and, even more to the point, what good will it do for the sale of BD players. As for BD sales, there seems some congruence between pop culture and PS3 freaks - you can spell out the effect of that yourself. Like I say: Go figure
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-01 20:06:41.0:
"Not one -- I repeat, NOT ONE person has challenged my numerical assumptions into the equation as being unreasonable" - Actually, I'd already done that, by way of pointing out that people go to Walmart fr good prices, including BDs. And, with special deals like - Blu-ray 2-Packs for $20 [http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=616859&fromPageCatId=14503] , one might think they'd sell real well. Probably relatively better than bargain bin DVDs, eh? With respect to national figures, that is.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-01 22:45:34.0:
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 08:58:17.0:
Milt R. Smith " Not one -- I repeat, NOT ONE person has challenged my numerical assumptions into the equation as being unreasonable" I have, several times, but I've given up now, there's no point if you clearly don't get it. The fact that you keep posting that stupid calculation is damning enough. I'm not your enemy, maths and common sense are. There's a time to challenge, and a time to let idiocy speak for itself, like your 92%+92%=97% calculation, or your assertion that Walmart sells 16 million DVDs a year across the whole of the USA.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 09:10:14.0:
@Milt R. Smith. Contrary to what you say, that 8% YTD figure holds no fear for me. Were Blu Ray to end the year with that percentage (I'm pretty confident it'll actually end up more around the 12-15% mark), that'd still be around 300% growth this year. Compared to the dismal growth of downloads/streaming/VOD, documented above in the single digits, and with Blu Ray likely to exceed digital revenues this year, I need do nothing more than echo your repetitive but accurate slogan "Follow the money". It's pretty clear where the money is going, and it's not digital, and it's certainly not SD cards, particularly with Toshiba, the biggest backer of MikeHD's "Flicks on chips", making encouraging noises about entering the Blu Ray arena ("information that sheds light on the failures of (SlotMusic)","The devastating news is that average weekly sales for (SlotMusic) have declined since the beginning of 2009" - http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i388dc3328f74c5eeabf5978e4f7293fa?imw=Y ), ( "Toshiba president - t makes no sense to decide not to enter the Blu-Ray market simply because we lost the DVD-format [sic] war" - http://www.hometheatermag.com/news/062909willtoshiba/ ).
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 09:24:06.0:
@Milt R. Smith. As to that 20-30% Walmart figure, I'm sorry, I never saw your request for a URL (though I'm sure I posted one). I suppose I should really get used to the tiresome chore that is spoonfeeding you information that is freely available, tiresome though it is. Please find the URL, below. How it affects the idiocy of your Walmart theory is up to you. Let's be honest though, disruptive though it is, it can't make your tin-pot calculation any more imbecilic, can it? http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10243357-1.html
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 09:31:01.0:
@Keno. Don't bother, like platting fog, explaining the gaping flaw in Milt's calculations is a pointless exercise. You can see it, I can see it, a 10 year old child can see it, a well-trained chimp can likely see it, but, like so much it seems, Milt is just blind to it.
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-02 14:05:20.0:
D. ATTENBOROUGH(from now on I'll refer to you simply as "Mr. Bullsh!t"), example: "...followed by Wal-Mart with 20-30 percent share, according to industry sources cited by Blu-ray.com." HILARIOUS! I asked you for a simple cite - to an independent URL confirming your assertion that Wal*Mart had 20% to 30% of the Blu-Ray disk market sales. Instead, you post this hilarious horsh!t, "...according to industry sources cited by Blu-Ray.com." I have been fascinated by your assertion from the day it was first posted; first of all, Wal*Mart aggressively hides its sales numbers since 2001 by proudly making no bones about the fact it does NOT share its POS terminal scan data with ANYONE. Soooo, unless they 'deign' to voluntarily disclose this information, from where did these mysterious 'industry source digits' cited by Blu-Ray.com come from? Where is the independent URL I've asked for as confirming source? And, while it is, once again, purely anecdotal information, anyone going through local Wal*Marts - especially in last few months - can see they've dramatically reduced their Booray disk displays down to as little as 42 titles(my local stores), and all of those with MSRPs. So where the hell can anyone reasonably suggest 20% to 30% of the market? Your 20% to 30% figure, echoed of all places from Blu-Ray.com is just another example of your 'Mr. Bullsh!t' posts. It's unsubstantiated gibberish, pure and simple. And what about anyone challenging my 4400/360/10 numbers for Wal*Mart as being unreasonable? No one - NOT ONE PERSON - has done so. And IMO they won't because if anything they're conservative digits.
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-02 14:56:33.0:
MIKE HD, on '...Not one -- I repeat, NOT ONE person has challenged my numerical assumptions into the equation as being unreasonable' - Actually, I'd already done that, by way of pointing out that people go to Walmart fr good prices, including BDs. And, with special deals like - Blu-ray 2-Packs for $20..." Mike, what's this got to do with challenging my numbers in attempting to gauge how many DVDs Wal*Mart sells? Once again, there are 4,400 U.S. stores(not counting Sam's Club), X 360 sale days annually, X average of ten $5 catalog titles sold a day from those big bins; that works out to about 16-million standard dvds a year, and about 1.8-million Boorays(at current 8% market share), meaning W/M is moving about 14-million more standard DVDs than BDs each year. If those numbers are anywhere close to accurate(and nobody has argued they're unreasonable assumptions), then inclusion of W/M into overall sales means that Booray's share of market might be as low as 3%, and not the official 8% YTD currently from Nielson/VideoScan. So, what are you talking about "...already done that"? Your post is unresponsive to the issue, not on point.
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-02 15:10:43.0:
MR. BULLSH!T(aka D. Attenborough), on "...Were Blu Ray to end the year with that percentage (I'm pretty confident it'll actually end up more around the 12-15% mark), that'd still be around 300% growth this year." Well, I'm sure you have every right to be "confident", after all it's a free country, so you can post your nonsense as much as you want. Problem is, the digits you cite are illusory, and based in part only on the studios FLOODING the market with old catalog titles now being re-released on Booray(just look at your local Hollywood Video or Blockbuster store and see the explosion of these additional disks); so, you say, what's wrong with that - money is money after all - and that's correct. But the problem is that, as the latest Nielsen/VideoScan numbers show BD with a paltry 8% of the market, the dollar numbers are simply an expression of bulk sales to rental outfits like Blockbuster, Netflix and the like. In other words, all these old catalog titles are filling the aisles based upon MSRPs, and yet the share YTD is FALLING from what it was earlier this year --- AND, barely above the 6% to 7% Nielsen/VideoScan numbers of May, 2008. So the conundrum is reflected in gross MSRPs vs share of market, and they clearly don't match. So, Mr. Bullsh!t, be as "confident" as you like, it costs you nothing, meaningless as it may be.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 18:06:18.0:
Like I said, I've challenged them several times, I even offered $500 to you (and anyone else) who could provide ANY set of example figures in the ratio of 87%/13% (as was) for both Walmart and market-wide, which when added together would result in anything but a 87%/13% ratio. The offer still stands for the current YTD of 92%/8%.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-02 18:08:08.0:
@Milt. You're projecting a lot of ire onto me when it would be better directed at those who educated you. Or rather, didn't. Maths and common sense are the true "Milt's Nemesis", and that's a battle you can only fight internally.
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David Ateenborough responds on 2009-07-02 18:21:23.0:
By the way Milty, nothing to say about those DIRE digital distribution growth figures? I'm sure it didn't escape your notice that, poor though they are, they're for ALL digital distribution, not just movies, meaning the video share must be even tinier. No? Not a dickie bird? How about the failure to launch of music on SD cards? Barely 100,000 sales in over 7 months, and sales FALLING. Ouch! No comment? Any ideas on how that bodes for MikeHD's "Flicks on chips"? Are those CRICKETS I hear? What about that quote from Toshiba's head-honcho then? Was it a suprise, or had you already got the memo from your masters? If they do dip their toe in the Blu Ray pool will you allow yourself to be recalled from the atoll, or are you going to hide in the rushes and fight on? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-02 19:54:47.0:
MR. BULLSH!IT(aka D. Attenborough), on "I said, I've challenged them several times, I even offered $500 to you (and anyone else) who could provide ANY set of example figures in the ratio of 87%/13% (as was) for both Walmart and market-wide, which when added together would result in anything but a 87%/13% ratio. The offer still stands for the current YTD of 92%/8%." I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING: If and until we know the actual, real-world UNIT SALES of all standard and BD movie disks INCLUDING W/M), all that CAN be done in the meantime is to make an educated, reasonable guess as to what they might look like using W/M's corporate stats, plus an assumption on $5 catalog disk sales. Those digits are 4,400 U.S. stores(EXcluding Sam's Club, and 360 sale days annually, plus a conserviative estimate(mine, unchallenged to this day) of 10 average of those $5 disks sold daily at those outlets. That means about 16-million standard DVDs a year, vs about 1.8-million BDs at 8% market share(Nielsen/VideoScan), OR otherwise stated, about 14-MILLION more standard DVDs than Booray. That 20% to 30% figure you've referenced from unsubstantiated "analysts" in VideoBusijess is purely speculative as I've pointed out above. If anyone is able to provide hard independent URL substantiating that 20/30 W/M number, I'll be first with a tip of the hat - and $500 in the next 10 days. How's that? Conversely, if you're unable to do so in the next 10 days, you give me $500. HOWZAt???
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 03:53:58.0:
Milt R. Smith " I DON'T UNDERSTAND" Speak on sweet lips that never told a lie, right there is the only sensible thing you've said in, well, forever. We don't NEED to know the real world figures (or is that another diversionary tactic on your part?). Your claim is that Walmart can sell DVDs and Blu Rays at the SAME ratio as the rest of the market, and skew the whole market share "BIG TIME" due to sheer weight of numbers. That, my friend is a mathmatical impossibility, and that is what I'm challenging you to prove.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 03:57:53.0:
Here's your latest quote making just that claim, I have all the others too. See that you've again suggested that adding Walmart's figures in the ration 92/8 to the industry standard figures of 92/8 will result in a total figure of 97/3 because the numbers are "HUGE". That's a mathmatical impossibility, and the fact you've repeated it about 12 times shows you're inept at basic mathmatics. It's a "schoolboy error" that a schoolboy just wouldn't make. Milt R Smith - "That 16-million vs 1.3-million number is just HUGE. Not one -- I repeat, NOT ONE person has challenged my numerical assumptions into the equation as being unreasonable(in fact, I believe the assumptions are if anything conservative). Now how do I know that 97/3 is more an accurate representation when including W/M? It's not rocket science: when you add a net increase around 14-million more standard DVDs the whole number game is thrown into a cocked hat, that figure being so enormous."
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Milt R. Smith responds on 2009-07-03 15:16:54.0:
MR. BULLSH!T(aka D. Attenborough): Well, you cheap empty suit, havn't heard much about the $500 since you've realized that you'd have to pay ME instead the same $500 if you're unable to provide independent URL confirming the 20%/30% number you so aggressively have been quoting from some "analysts". Or, perhaps, you'd like to use my all-time favorite in the pantheon of horsesh!t, "shipped"? No doubt you would.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 18:09:21.0:
Pay YOU instead? Are you illiterate as well as thick headed? MY offer was NEVER for me to recieve ANY money. The offer is simple, and still stands now as it has on the numerous occasions I've repeated it in the six weeks since it was made. $500 to ANYONE who can provide ANY example where YOUR Walmart sales figures (currently 16 million DVD and 1.3 million Blu Ray), when added to rest-of-market sales figures in the ratio 92%/8% for DVD and Blu Ray respectively, can produce a TOTAL sales ratio of 97%/3%. This has been YOUR claim, YOUR ascertion, and it's fully in YOUR power to prove it. I slapped the gauntley FIRMLY across your chops six weeks ago, as yet you've not had the honour to address it. Despite it (presumably) being well within your power to prove the claim that you made then, and have made repeatedly since. Or do you lack confidence in YOUR own numbers. THERE is the challenge, it's NOT a bet or a wager, there is, and never has been any suggestion of ME requiring any payment from anyone taking up the challenge and failing. It's simple.
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David Attenborough responds on 2009-07-03 18:12:27.0:
In summary, it's a simple offer. Your ascertion (sic) that your calculation is correct VS my ascertion (sic) that it's false and you're consequently a clueless chump. You VS me. Empty head VS "empty suit". Your call.
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Politicians' BIG fail in California,link - Hide thread - By Zuul The Minion of Gozer on July 1, 2009:
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California still does nor have an approved State budget. Most of the politicians there refuse to "cut the lard". Waste and inefficiences have crippled the most populated State in the US. Arnorld appea... Show entire thread and 2 responses
- California still does nor have an approved State budget. Most of the politicians there refuse to "cut the lard". Waste and inefficiences have crippled the most populated State in the US. Arnorld appears to be doing a good job and demands a fix to the syst. But, democratic leaders just want to raise taxes! Are those elected officials totally lost? Disoriented or confused? They must be when their "solution" is to raise taxes in the current economic environment.
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Blu Titan responds on 2009-07-01 09:28:45.0:
FROM BELOW: "Blu Titan admits he is gay"...having fun posting false statements about me? Why not read the entire thread so you can understand what we were discussing. For one, I never viewed nor had any interest in the thread. The thread was "hidden" away in the off topic forum and the only way you would find it was by searching for it. In addition, the only way anyone could have possibly be "offended" would be if they would click on it, which I never did. Thus, I was NEVER offended by the thread...and I was aware it existed. However, I do not believe that blu-ray.com is an appropriate site for a porn thread. As Mike would post: Go figure.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-01 10:48:03.0:
"having fun posting false statements about me?" - that's what this site has come to, posting "false statements" about the remaining major contributors, meaning Blu Titan and myself. Those statements are nothing more or less than personal harassment and are totally irrelevant to the subject of formats for flicks in HD. That said, Blu Titan had written in the past that he thought (felt?) that Megan Fox was very sexy. Gay men wouldn't think/feel that. Go figure
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Another wasted thread below,link - Hide thread - By Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars on June 30, 2009:
Another wasted thread below,link - Show thread - By Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars on June 30, 2009 - 23 responses - Last response on July 1, 2009
Which isn't "on tropic". Go figure... Show entire thread and 23 responses
responds on 2009-06-30 12:06:29.0:
Going back to the Sea Otter for a minute, Mike, who is this Saylor character who is referenced in the last thread? A friend of yours?
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The Historian was wrong! responds on 2009-06-30 12:16:31.0:
I just looked up Adrian's time after the historian claimed that he was twice as slow as Mike in the last thread. Turns out this is not true-- Adrian finished in 4:04 while Mike finished in 8:02: http://www.seaotterclassic.com/_raceresults/2006/79.htm And while Adrian did not "make podium" I consider his 11 of 63 finish much more impressive and notable than Mike's 5 of 9, especially since he entered in the Sport category. Props to Adrian!
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-06-30 12:18:15.0:
He is a friend of my son, the guy who says "we don't get payed" in the short documentary "The Bike Co-op" my son had produced as a senior project at USCS, majoring in film and digital media: http://vimeo.com/2330496. And, BTW, he DID finish the race, even though he had crashed. And, the reason he had crashed is that he got too much air off a big jump.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-06-30 12:33:33.0:
Given that The Historian not only gratuitously insulted my son by writing
"Mike's son, who probably has more balls than brains", and writing "crashed all over the place" (he didn't), it seems to me that this jerk needs to make an apology and retract his statements. Anyone who watches The Bike Co-op should be able to tell that my son is a very talented person. He is also an excellent mountain biker, far better than I am. That said, I had also explained before that I myself had gone off-course during the race, and had to double back. Meaning, I generally go a lot faster than 1/2 the speed of my son. I should know, given that we had often gone on rides together - including many of his friends.
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The Historian responds on 2009-06-30 13:20:30.0:
I apologize to Adrian as by all accounts he is a bright kid, no offense meant. Mike had in a previous time stated that Adrian took twice as long as he did to complete the course! Mike also posted that Saylor crashed and DNF. I will NOT aplogize for Mike changing his story! Young males in sporting events do exhibit "more balls than brains" and that was the context of my post.
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The Historian responds on 2009-06-30 13:26:26.0:
As anyone can see Mike never tried to correct me when I posted about Adrian taking 2X the amount of time he did! I don't make the history. I just record it!
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars " responds on 2009-06-30 13:33:30.0:
I didn't correct it, because I had misread it - I thought it was 2x BETTER. Because, that's what I'd written before, and is what the record shows. As for "I don't make the history. I just record it! " - well, obviously NOT. Last, but not least, I would never agrandise myself at the expense of my son.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-06-30 13:54:04.0:
"Young males in sporting events do exhibit 'more balls than brains'" Generalizing that expression to ALL young males in sporting events makes your claim only even more offensive. I had already pointed out that, amongst THAT crowd, EVERYBODY showed up and finished the race. Even after crashing. It was due to pride, and NOT a lack of brains. And, it is very apparent that you don't know what in the f_ck you are talking about. Though you are right about one thing - it DOES require a certain amount of "balls" to participate in such races, my son, his friend(s), and I did. Did YOU ever do anything like that? It doesn't sound like it, you would use a different tone if you had.
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responds on 2009-06-30 14:46:53.0:
Mike at the speed you were "racing" I could have walked right past you. Placing 5 out of 9 puts you right into the slower 55.5% of the bikers. In fact, you were the "Median" the purest definition of average?!
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-06-30 15:03:08.0:
And, in case this point had gotten lost - it was the first MTB race we'd ever entered. If Adrian had competed in the Beginner category as he should have, he'd made 1st place, by far - the best time there was 00:04:28.4 - his time was 00:04:04.7 - racing is quite different from just tooling along. And, NORBA rules are that you are placed in the next higher category once you have made podium 3 times in your current category - with the implicit assumption that one starts out as a beginner. I did, and I'm not ashamed of it, either. Whatever.
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responds on 2009-06-30 15:30:45.0:
"I could have walked right past you" - that sounds rather presumptuous. Here are some pictures of the course, it has a whole bunch of steep and very fast sections: http://www.littermag.com/2009/sea-otter-classic-downhill-race. Also, I had already written "I had also explained before that I myself had gone off-course during the race, and had to double back. Meaning, I generally go a lot faster than 1/2 the speed of my son." So, yeah, you could have walked right past me when I was pushing my bike back up a short section - but probably not the rest of the time.
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-06-30 15:35:05.0:
Last post was mine. A good description of the course is "After a weekend of practices by well over a thousand contestants, the course was blown out in so many spots. However, it remained very fast if not on the edge. While many mock the difficulty of the Sea Otter DH course, the speed and conditions of this years course made it tricky. Many riders blew off the course." - When I competed, there were dry and fast section, but some sections had extremely deep mud - people sometimes lost their shoes when stepping into that.
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responds on 2009-06-30 15:49:29.0:
Well it says it right there " many mock the difficulty of the course". I want a real challenge for my first race. Plan to win it too!
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responds on 2009-06-30 15:55:40.0:
Going downhill is easy cause you got gravity on your side. Mud makes it slippery and helps your speed. So I am not impressed with the Sybens' time. I would not wear one of those gay assed bike helmets either!
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responds on 2009-06-30 17:00:56.0:
"I want a real challenge for my first race. Plan to win it too!" Mike HD, do they have bike races for kindergarten kids?
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responds on 2009-06-30 17:02:44.0:
"Mud makes it slippery and helps your speed." Probably true for playground slides.
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NotMike responds on 2009-06-30 19:47:03.0:
This entire thread should be deleted. What does any of this have to do with the "format wars"? Having "Format Wars" as part of your handle does not make your posts relevant Mike.
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responds on 2009-06-30 20:51:31.0:
NotMike, didn't you hear? This is now the Sea Otter message board.
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responds on 2009-06-30 20:54:54.0:
Blu Titan admits he is gay:http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=2062693#post2062693
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responds on 2009-06-30 21:21:53.0:
Mike has not posted in 5.5 hours. No doubt he is in MAMMOTH!
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Drew Matterson responds on 2009-06-30 23:45:46.0:
Alright check it out-- I just called Mammoth Mountain Ski Area, there is no snow left and they are closed for the season! Now since it is agreed upon that Mike is in Mammoth this week, he could only be doing one thing: MOUNTAIN BIKING! Indubitably he is training for the Sea Otter 2010. I can't help but think that he was inspired by today's discussion. But you know what? This makes a good story, and I am rooting for the guy. I just hope the old-timer doesn't make a wrong turn again and cost himself an extra 2 minutes!
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responds on 2009-06-30 23:58:56.0:
Mike was going downhill without using the pedals. Like, duh, he was cruising as in slow. My grandpa will have a better time!
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-07-01 01:40:48.0:
"My grandpa will have a better time!" Right, what are you - prepubescent, since you need to adduce your grandpa, eh? And, I wouldn't want to challenge your grandpa - he is no longer responsible for you. Soooooo, are you just "contributing" from you parents' basement? Sounds like it.
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The Historian responds on 2009-06-30 11:56:03.0:
We all know wayyyy too much about the Sea Otter DH race. Mike's son, who probably has more balls than brains, decided to go all out in a muddy track, crashed all over the place, and ended with a time 2X of Mike's. Mike with his 60+ years of experience knew it was better to go SUPER slow to avoid falling and hurting himself. You probably could have walked faster than Mike was ridding. No matter Mike got 5th out of 9 racers and got "podium". 22 racers had originally resgistered by most did not race due to poor conditions (per Mike). Somebody Mike knows named "Saylor" raced but crashed and DNF! Mike's family was very proud of his accompliment! NOTE: Mike's heart pumps @ 70% capacity due to an earlier heart attack. In the end Mike did not stay to collect his prizes cause his family was tired!
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-06-30 12:08:07.0:
"Mike's son, who probably has more balls than brains" - Says it all about what kind of person you are - an unscrupulous dumbass. My son inherited his "brains" from his parents, he is a "gifted" person
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responds on 2009-06-30 11:08:30.0:
Mike keeps starting garbage threads! Appropiate title for this one, eh? Maybe Mike should take a listen to MJ's tune "Man in the Mirror"?!
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responds on 2009-06-30 11:09:54.0:
Mike is you want to make this site a better place, take a look at yourself and make a CHANGE!!!!!
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Mike HD The Pirate of the Format Wars responds on 2009-06-29 23:10:58.0:
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